1992 lesabre gets no fire
#1
i am have i prob... first the car just would compleatly cut off and come back on right away while driving down the highway... then it cut off and come back on but would cut out then go back to normal.... now it wont even start... its getting fuel but no spark ihad the ecm tested and i watched it test good 3 times.. so i bought 3 new coil packs ... did not help... im getting some codes off the computer to which are 12,13,17,31,42,58 im at a loss here so if any one can help
#2
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<TD vAlign=top>13 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Open Oxygen Sensor Circuit </TD></TR>
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<TD vAlign=top>14 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Coolant Temperature Sensor (High Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>15 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Coolant Temperature Sensor (Low Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>16 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>System Voltage High </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>17 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Spark Reference Circuit (Type I Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>17 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Spark Reference Circuit (Type II Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>21 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Throttle Position Sensor (Signal Voltage High) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>22 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Throttle Position Sensor (Signal Voltage Low) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>23 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Intake Air Temp (IAT) Sensor (Low Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>24 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>25 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Intake Air Temp (IAT) Sensor (High Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>26 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Quad-Driver (QDM) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>31 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Park/Neutral Switch Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>34 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) (GM/SEC Low) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>36 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Transaxle Shift Control Problem </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>38 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Brake Input Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>39 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) Circuit </TD></TR>
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<TD vAlign=top>41 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cam Sensor Circuit (Type I Ignition) </TD></TR>
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<TD vAlign=top>41 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cam Sensor Circuit (Type II Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>42 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Electronic Spark Timing (EST) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>43 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Electronic Spark Control (ESC) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>44 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Oxygen Sensor Circuit (Lean Exhaust Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>45 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Oxygen Sensor Circuit (Rich Exhaust Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>51 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Mem-Cal Error </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>58 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Security System (Fuel Enable Circuit) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>61 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Vent Solenoid Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>62 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Vacuum Solenoid Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>65 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Servo Position Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>66 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Low A/C Refrigerant Charge. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>67 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise Switches Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>68 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise System Problem. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>69 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>A/C Head Pressure Switch Circuit</TD></TR></T></TABLE>
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<TD vAlign=top>13 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Open Oxygen Sensor Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>14 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Coolant Temperature Sensor (High Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>15 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Coolant Temperature Sensor (Low Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>16 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>System Voltage High </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>17 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Spark Reference Circuit (Type I Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>17 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Spark Reference Circuit (Type II Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>21 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Throttle Position Sensor (Signal Voltage High) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>22 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Throttle Position Sensor (Signal Voltage Low) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>23 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Intake Air Temp (IAT) Sensor (Low Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>24 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>25 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Intake Air Temp (IAT) Sensor (High Temp Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>26 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Quad-Driver (QDM) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>31 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Park/Neutral Switch Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>34 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) (GM/SEC Low) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>36 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Transaxle Shift Control Problem </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>38 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Brake Input Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>39 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>41 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cam Sensor Circuit (Type I Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>41 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cam Sensor Circuit (Type II Ignition) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>42 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Electronic Spark Timing (EST) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>43 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Electronic Spark Control (ESC) Circuit </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>44 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Oxygen Sensor Circuit (Lean Exhaust Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>45 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Oxygen Sensor Circuit (Rich Exhaust Indicated) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>51 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Mem-Cal Error </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>58 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Security System (Fuel Enable Circuit) </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>61 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Vent Solenoid Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>62 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Vacuum Solenoid Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>65 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise - Servo Position Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>66 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Low A/C Refrigerant Charge. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>67 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise Switches Circuit. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>68 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Cruise System Problem. </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>69 </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>A/C Head Pressure Switch Circuit</TD></TR></T></TABLE>
#5
Those are alot of codes.. I would disconnect the battery for 10 seconds and reset the computer and give it a try.
Look for the new codes stored.
Your cutting out symptom odds are best for a crankshaft sensor CPS. It sends pulses for the ignition module and then PCM module..The car will not run without it and often the "cuts out" symptom is a clue. Cold sensors seem to work better till they warm up with the engine. They often throw 41 camshaft codes.
Starting and then dying is a symptom of lack of fuel pulses to the engine, controlled by the Computer.. ECM...
Fuel pulses are turned off by the Security system or called VATS..
A normal start injects a prime when the key is turned on then when it starts it switches over to the fuel pulses allowed by the VATS. Thus you get a brief start then it dies.
The Camshaft sensor sends the pulses to the ECM but if they aren't there (bad sensor) the car will still run but not efficiently.
In that light you may have both problems.. a bad key, or VATS circuit, and a Crankshaft sensor problem.
Good Luck
Look for the new codes stored.
Your cutting out symptom odds are best for a crankshaft sensor CPS. It sends pulses for the ignition module and then PCM module..The car will not run without it and often the "cuts out" symptom is a clue. Cold sensors seem to work better till they warm up with the engine. They often throw 41 camshaft codes.
Starting and then dying is a symptom of lack of fuel pulses to the engine, controlled by the Computer.. ECM...
Fuel pulses are turned off by the Security system or called VATS..
A normal start injects a prime when the key is turned on then when it starts it switches over to the fuel pulses allowed by the VATS. Thus you get a brief start then it dies.
The Camshaft sensor sends the pulses to the ECM but if they aren't there (bad sensor) the car will still run but not efficiently.
In that light you may have both problems.. a bad key, or VATS circuit, and a Crankshaft sensor problem.
Good Luck